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This is the best wax i have used to date. It give a deep wet look that lasts for ages and its really easy to apply due to its oily nature.
It is very expensive though, but i guess it works out good value in the long run because of the tub being refilled for life at no extra charge, other than p&p that is. If you can afford it and dont mind sticking with the same wax for years to come, then this is a supurb product. A small amount goes a long way. I found it best to apply it with your hands after prepping the car with hd cleanse. Wait a couple of mins(depends on outside temp) and buff off. Dont apply more than one coat in any 24 hour period because the wax needs to cure. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Agree with above. Best wax used to date. I have used more than 20 waxes and sealants. Vintage is a cut above the rest in looks. That is what I wanted was looks. I wax at least every week. The Red RX8 looks good. Results great. Ease of use, I chatted with one of the best detailers and he said hand application is not absolutly necessary. A good foam pad will work. The wax needs a little heat to melt into paint. The aplicator generates enough heat to melt the wax. If not place some on finger tips and rub into aplicator.
Easy to use. Value left up to user, some say overkill but for me I'm happy with purchase.  | ||||||||||||||||||
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Zymol Vintage Glaze Product shots
  Manufacturer Claims (from the Zymol Website) “Vintage Glaze is based on a custom formula developed for the 1947 Bentley Mark VI Cabriolet by Franay, winner of several “Best of Shows” in its debut year on the Concours circuit. Among the protective ingredients in Vintage are Evergreen, Honeydew, Coconut, Cantaloupe, and Sunflower oils. Suitable for all paint types and colours. Vintage contains 61 percent Brazilian No. 1 White Carnauba by volume, the highest in any automotive finish protective product. This container is refilled for life at no charge.” Cost In the United States, Vintage costs $84.18 USD per oz based on what appears to be an average purchase price of $1852. I paid $1,775.70 ($80.68 per ounce) after using a 10% off electronic coupon applied to the list price of $1,973. Zymol Concours ($164 for 8 oz = $20.50 per oz) Swissvax Shield ($199 for 6.7648 oz = $29.42 per oz) Swissvax Concorso ($225 for 6.7648 oz = $33.26 per oz) Zymol Italian Estate ($360 for 8 oz = $45 per oz) Zymol Destiny ($486 for 8 oz = $60.75 per oz) Swissvax Mystery ($549 for 6.7648 oz = $81.74 per oz ) Zymol Vintage ($1,852 for 22 oz = $84.18 per oz; up to $1,973.00 for 22 oz = $89.68 per oz; free refills for noncommercial use) Zymol Royale ($7,583 for 50 oz = $151.66 per oz, free refills for noncommercial use) Swissvax Devine ($2,500 for 13.5296 oz = $184.78 per oz) Product Instructions for Zymol Vintage (from the Zymol Website) 1. Put a very small amount of the glaze into the palm of your hand. Use the warmth of your hands by rubbing them together, to melt the Carnauba. With your hands, gently apply the melted glaze in a light, even pattern over more than 2or 3 square feet of painted surface. 2. Let Vintage stand for up to five minutes. 3. Using moderate to heavy pressure, wipe very slowly with a zymol Microwipe (folded once) to a brilliant luster before the wax is totally dry. 4. Buff lightly once more approximately 3-4 hours later to perfect the shine. Prepping the paint before applying Vintage Zymol recommends prepping the paint using Zymol HD Cleanse, a pre-wax cleaner. Zymol HD Cleanse contains montan oil, apricot kernel oil, lemon seed oil, conconut oil, cetyl eters, cetyl cocoamide (derived from coconut oil) citirc acid (from rose hips), and kapolite. In late July I did a full prep, consisting of clay bar/ISA-H2O/PO106FF with Orange LC pads applied with a PC on level 6/ISA-H2O/Jetseal109. In late August, I applied a couple coats of Concorso on top of the Jetseal. I applied Vintage about a month later. I started by using Hi Temp paint cleaner, and then HD Cleanse. Method of Applying Vintage, and Ease of Application Zymol recommends rubbing Vintage on the car using the palms of both hands. I used one palm like an applicator pad, and rub wax on the car with that hand. I swipe the Vintage container with my hand after applying the wax to about a square foot. It does not take a lot of product to apply a coat. I find the first coat of Vintage to be quite a bit more work to apply than subsequent coats. After the first coat is applied, the surface has a lot less friction and the wax is applied fairly easily. For the first coat, I applied and buffed HD Cleanse, followed by applying and buffing Vintage, to segments of the car, such as the hood, two door panels, etc. For subsequent coats, I think it works well to apply Vintage to half the car, and then buff, and then do the other half. I use Vintage either in the garage or in the shade. Buffing the Vintage is a fair amount of work because the wax dries to a hard consistency. I have already developed some new muscles buffing Vintage, which makes the process easier. I use three buffing cloths. I use one cloth to buff the harden wax. I use difference parts of the cloth as I go along. I buff about two or three square feet at a time. I use a second cloth to buff the area again right after buffing it with the first cloth. After I have finished the entire car in this manner, I use the third cloth to buff the entire car again. At least three hours later, I buff the car a final time with the third cloth. Photos of My Car After Applying Vintage     Beading Photos After Applying Vintage After one coat of Vintage  After three coats of Vintage      Comments on Vintage Posted on Detailing Forums The following are comments, or excerpts of comments, posted about Zymol Vintage on the Autopia or Detailing World Websites. “[i]f it performs the best, and if you are willing to spend the money for it, and you would not be satisfied with anything other than that product, then this wax is for anyone willing to appreciate it.” lbls1 “Vintage allows me to take much better care of my car's finish than what I would normally be able to do…. Whenever I get any of those contaminants on my car, I do a touch free wash job, and it comes off. I have zero bug etchings, water spot craters, bird bomb craters, etc. on either of my cars. And as long as I keep up on the Vintage applications, i never will.” SuperBee364 post 332 “I have the Vintage wax. Is it worth it? Yes to me it is. Gives the best wax finish. I have tried over 25 waxes and this is the best. I wax at least once a week. Would i do it again? YES!!” MDRX8 “If it makes you feel better about your car and you can afford it, go for it. Does it look any better? Eye of the beholder. Any better protection? Doubtful, and probably less protection than a sealant, but they don't advertise this wax as a protectant.” LazerRed1 “When you get to the connoisseur level of *anything*, IMO it's silly to talk about products being "worth it". At that level of discretionary expenditure, something is worth whatever somebody is happy to pay for it. And if everybody's happy, nobody loses.” Accumulator “imo, these guys who make these waxes are laughing all the way to the bank. they must read these tthreads [sic] and laugh a little under their breath ( if they only knew). just my .02.” blucpe “I reading correctly you paid 1,800 for a car wax? Gee I truly hope you get your money's worth…. P.T Barmum would have a field day with the likes of stuff like Zymol. There truly is sucker born every day. It seems to me, like every minute.” tabinha The number 1 rule of business is: Price your product as high as the market will possibly bear it. In Zymol's case, each of their products is priced exactly that way…. It is meant to be that way. It's as simple as that.” ManiZ It beads very well and the car is very easy to wash and it feels like you've got something protecting the car, it feels almost rich to the touch, very nice…. When you are getting into this realm of waxes I don't thing you should be expecting significant improvements in looks, but it does give a nice, special silvery glow.” Neil S I came home from a week working away to find a large present from a bird on my car, but fortunately the Vintage resisted the dirt and it cleaned off with foam very easily. The car seems to wash very well with the Vintage on which is great and I really love the beading. If I could wish for one thing it would be for it to resist dust a bit more, it attracts dust more than a sealant, like most waxes, but I'm finding a bit of Z8 is great to help it resist a little more dust to keep it looking top notch for longer.” Neil_S “IMO, it seems that it attracts dust. Maybe because of all the oils?” Vintage “As with all high end waxes, there is a little to be gained in the nuance of the finish... For me, the high end Zymols do seem to give a silvery glow to the finish and excellent beading quality. But whether this ultimately very small gain is worth it is entirely down to personal opinion…. Looks, no: machine polishing is where the big jumps will be made, waxes leave a nuance only. Durability, no: at the end of the day, there are ultra-high durability sealents out there that offer better protection to the paint, I'm trialling one right now.” Dave KG “I've found that i only need to actually mitt wash the car maybe once every 2 weeks, the rest of the time i just wash the wheels and foam the car with the AB lance. The more and more coats you can get on it the better, as the water just doesnt stick to it at all after 2 or 3 coats, it leaves the surface very slick. I notice the biggest difference after a new application around 24 hours later, and the car looks sooooo wet in the sun.” Clark “I would be so bold as to say Vintage is probably the best value wax currently in existence... due to both the finish it gives for the money and the free refills for life. And people wonder why we haven't gone down the Royale route?!” WX51 TXR “I asked a few of the other guys who are into detailing to guess which panel had the Zymöl Vintage telling them the rest of the car had a 5 month old application of Zaino. Only one out of five guessed correctly and to be honest I don't think I would have been able to tell either.” GlynRS2 “What we always find is that it takes more than a panel or two to fully appreciate the difference when the Vintage is applied, you have to stand back and have a good look.” Clark “Zaino is an excellent product, but I can tell a massive difference between Zaino and Vintage.” Miracle “I sold my Zymol vintage on last year and purchased zaino in its place and straight away I knew I'd made a mistake, the Zymol was streets ahead IMO, the metallic flake popped like mad with the vintage and the depth was brilliant, the zaino looked flat and boring to me, again just my opinion.” steeleez My Comments. I have used only two very expensive waxes, Swissvax Concorso and Zymol Vintage. Concorso is the same as or similar to Swissvax Best of Show sold in Great Britain. On my car Vintage leaves a deep, wet look with a high degree of reflectivity and gloss, and in certain light, just like Concorso, it shimmers. I think the look is incrementally better than Concorso, which itself is very, very good. I do think the look produced by Concorso and Vintage is better than the other waxes I have used. My car is less than a year old, and I have kept the paint surface in very good shape since the car was new. My car has never looked as good after I applied Vintage. The beading of Vintage is exceptionally good, better even than Concorso. I like and appreciate good beading. For others it may not be important. The bids are high, cylindrical and regular. For me, that is a big positive. It is a thing of beauty. When rinsing the car after a wash, using the sheeting method to minimize the amount of water left behind, I noticed significantly less water needed to be dried as a result of the Vintage. This is a photo of a microfiber towel used to dry the car, excluding the grille, wheels, and the bottom section angles toward the undercarriage. It really pretty unbelievable.  I like to top the Vintage with Zaino Z8 every few days (after applying PB S&W if there is any dirt buildup). It only takes a few minutes, and keeps the car looking its best. I use a very small amount of Z8. I may abandon this approach in the winter when the car is exposed to a lot more grime. I do not yet have enough experience with Vintage to comment on the degree to which it helps keep the car free of contaminants. One downside of Vintage is that it will be harder for me, at least for awhile, to experiment on my car with different sealants and waxes, which for me is part of the fun of detailing as a hobby. Is Vintage worth the cost premium? The answer to the question can be addressed in several. First, is Vintage better than a less expensive wax? Second, if it is better, then is the incremental improvement worth the extra cost? The cost, in turn, depends in part on how many times the container is refilled, and over what period. Third, will something come along that is better? Last, what is the level of appreciation of the user for a higher end wax, how important is incremental improvement, and what are the financial circumstances involved? 1. Is Vintage better? I am not really the best person to answer the first question. Is Vintage better than less expensive waxes? I do not really have enough experience. Comments on Vintage that I have read vary all over the place. Some very credible people comment that Vintage provides less protection than a sealant; the big improvements in appearance come from machine polishing, not the wax; Vintage produces an incremental improvement in appearance at the level of nuance; and in a blind test Vintage does not stand out. On the other hand, other observers comment that Vintage does provide better protection against contaminants and more resistance to marring of the paint surface; and Vintage produces a significant improvement in appearance. From my own observations, limited to the waxes I have tried, Concorso and Vintage produce a noticeable improvement in appearance over the $12 or less per ounce waxes, primarily in giving the car a wetter look and in reflectivity, and Vintage produces an improvement in appearance over Concorso. This view is not universally shared. The only two “ultra expensive” waxes I have used are Concorso and Vintage. Vintage also sheds more water when rinsing the car using the sheeting method, and has tighter more cylindrical beading. I cannot yet comment on durability or the level of protection that Vintage provides. Differences in the effect Vintage produces may depend on the quality of the prep of the paint, and the condition of the paint, before applying Vintage. I do not claim to be a master at preparing the paint surface. My comments are limited to applying Vintage to my own car. 2. If Vintage is better, is the incremental improvement worth the extra cost? (a) What is the extra cost? Vintage, of course, has a high initial absolute cost because it comes in a 22 oz size. For purposes of comparison, the following are the approximate per ounce costs of some of the leading waxes. Zymol Concours - $20.50 per oz (3.82 Swissvax Concorso $33.25 per oz Zymol Destiny - $60.75 per oz Swissvax Mystery - $81.75 per oz Zymol Vintage - $81.80 per oz (at $1,800 without any refills) Swissvax Devine - $184.78 per oz Worlds Best Wax - $12.20 per oz Pinnacle’s Souveran - $10.00 per oz Victoria Concours Red Wax - $6.00 per oz (12 oz) P21S Concours - $5.15 per oz Natty’s Red - $3.15 per oz Chemical Guys 50/50 - $3.00 per oz (16 oz) (b) With “free” refills, what will be the ultimate cost of Vintage? The ultimate cost of Vintage, after refills, depends of course on the number of refills. To be completely accurate, you would also factor in the time value of money. Assuming 118 coats of wax per 22 oz tub of Vintage, at 39 coats per year it would take three years to go through a tub. Assuming one tub every three to four years, in a decade the price per ounce would drop to about $28, or about $5.22 per application without factoring in the time value of money or the shipping an handling cost for the refills. That compares with about $6.20 per application for Concorso. That would mean using Vintage almost exclusively on your car for many years. With free refills, I find there is a tendency to apply the wax more frequently. The free refill policy will last only as long a Zymol lasts as a company. Since Zymol is a closely held company, there is not public information on the results of its financial performance. Since the company has been in business for 26 years, and has a mass marketed line of less of expensive products, further longevity seems a good bet. 3. Will something come along that is as good or better at a much lower cost? I image (but do not really know) that there is a high profit margin associated with a wax like Vintage. It is always possible that a competitor will release a comparable wax for a much lower cost. Is this a reason to wait. In general, I would suggest no. At present, however, since Paul Dalton appears to be on the verge of releasing a high end wax, it does seem to me that it only makes sense to wait to see what is released and at what price. I did not take my own advice, however, since in my case impulse overcame reason and logic. 4. What level of appreciation does the user have for the enhanced performance of the wax, how important is the incremental improvement, and what is the financial sacrifice? The level of appreciation for a better wax, and the importance of a vehicle with a more stunning appearance or better beading, are subjective factors. To some an expensive bottle of wine or an expensive car is something to be enjoyed and appreciated. To others either or both is a big waste of money. If Vintage is purchased at younger age, the lifetime reduction in cost becomes more significant (assuming Zymol stays in business). The irony, of course, is that those who could experience the wax for more years often tend to be the ones who can least afford it. 5. My Conclusion. I regard Vintage as an extravagance and an indulgence, but for me a good purchase. Perhaps I should have waited to find out what Paul Dalton will release. |
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Wow! It's hard to follow Dogged's in depth review of this product.
Vintage basically is a lot like Concours but with more of everything. Here's what I said about Concours . . . Concours Glaze Basically with Vintage you get even more depth than with Concours. Plus, the higher carnauba content results in longer durability. All the other great parts of Concours are there too like the water repellency. All the downsides of Concours are there too. It can be hard to buff off and it's WAY more expensive than Concours at nearly $2K. Of course, you do get lifetime refills but it's still a lot of money. I've never seen another wax give results as dramatic as Vintage. It is EXPENSIVE though and it can be difficult to work with. | ||||||||||||||||||
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I swear those metalic flakes are like suspended above the paint with vintage(I refer this as depth). Never seen any wax I've used able to do that. Now I am no expert in detailing, and I use vintage (from SKSK1 sampler kit whic is no longer available in US) and HD cleanse only. No polishing whatsoever. My question, would polishing and cheaper wax accomplish that effect of Vintage's? | |
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